USA vs China confrontation series

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  1. Angroid CyberSperg 1138

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    Here's a boring, wishful and imo "suffering from groupthink" hypothesis about what could happen and respective capabilities of USA vs Da Yellow Peril in da Pacific. Problem is, a real dust up may not be confined to da Chaneees coast but da author appears to have missed such a detail instead preferring to cite the names of more historical figures and examples than is decent.

    Fo da masochists in need of bedtime reading material....

    http://thediplomat.com/the-naval-diplomat/2012/09/19/the-nightmare-scanerio-a-u-s-china-war/
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    China has no chance. Firstly they would be taking on NATO. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Phillipines would also join us. Then possibly Russia and India. They have no chance of doing anything at all.
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    They don't need troops or airships to destroy us, they got us by the grip economically.

    Also an interesting point.
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    All too true. There are plenty of weapons that can be used to destroy a people and a culture, and they don't all go *bang bang!*
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    The Chinese navy is too inadequate to compete with the U.S. in a "Great Game." Moreover, the CIA could heat things up in China's more volatile regions, such as Xinjiang, and possibly even China proper itself under the guise of some sort of 'freedom revolution.'
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    Regarding Xinjiang I reckon the Chinese would solve a little unruliness without too much fuss. They'd simply take names and kick ass. Soros & Co stirred up the Ragheads and the Tibetans some years ago and nothing much came of it.

    Regarding the current Chinese Navy, they haven't got the hardware to hammer the US & surrounding Slope States today but this kind of scenario won't be playing out today either. In the next 2 decades, count on the Chinese having multiple carriers AND that they would have solved their current glaring deficiencies wrt building quality jet turbines for planes.

    I'd be curious whether they'd have set up a series of global bases from which to operate because without those they'd indeed be confined and hemmed in which is in line with the author's line of reasoning. (I'm less optimistic than him that China can and will only be on the back foot and defending their own doorstep as opposed to China operating outside their doorstep and bringing the fight to the opposition)

    As for China's economic / monetary strangulation capabilities, I'm a bit sceptical about that because although it is true that they own a mountain of dollars and US debt, it is also true that the dollar is still the world's reserve currency controlled by ZOG which (for now) controls the US as its arm of Imperialism. When you rig the casino and you control the money supply and banks for that casino, does it really matter how much the customer wins if you can ultimately change the value of those winnings?

    Another significant problem for da Chanees is that even with all that "money", they have little with which to protect their supply Empire. Even though they may have multi-billion dollar investments and ownership of projects across the globe, how could they possibly hope to retain those assets without military capabilities and networks and bases in those regions? Owning gold and having that gold in your possession and under your control isn't the same thing.

    - Energy Pipelines - Mostly under US, UK control. To a lesser extent under Russian control.
    - Military bases along trade routes - Mostly under US control with NATO providing backup.
    - Sealanes - mostly under US control with back up from NATO & Slopes (apart from China, North Korea etc)
    - Military bases in the vicinity of mines & energy producing regions - Much of it under US, UK control with backup from NATO & Raghead regimes and certain Slopes

    Europe (apart from Russia) is almost entirely US & EU occupied & controlled.
    The Middle East is almost entirely US, UK controlled.
    North Africa is more or less US / EU controlled.
    Central, West, East & Southern Africa is a bit more of a mixed bag but the US, UK, EU have a lot of influence there.
    South America (with the exception of Columbia) is somewhat less US occupied & controlled.

    At the moment the Chinese are way behind the curve wrt physical control over global real estate.
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    True, but the small Serbia still resist.

    Syria and Iran are far more complex and are influenced by Russia.

    Agree.

    With China and Israel growing a lot.

    LOL, no. I think they are already (save Venezuela), a US 'area'.
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    Imo Serbia isn't resisting all that much, they couldn't even if they wanted to. The politicians are mostly bought off, same as elsewhere. The "Kosovo" rhetoric of the politicians is just them playing to the peanut gallery ie voters.

    Are there still many Nationalist and Conservative Serbs? Yes. However, the problem there is that ZOG / Soros / US State Dept controls the minority coalitions who usually form the Serb Govt while the Serb Nationalists (who are the largest single group) are kept out of power.
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    China is getting stronger and richer everyday.
    They play a very slow winning chess game Imo. Within 100 years from now, i can see china totaly dominating the world.



    Serb nationalists have sent balkans as whole to its grave, Angroid. Its not like serbs didn't have full controll of 6 yugoslav republics, and long enough chance to prove themselces as worthy of anything. and everyone wanted out from these primitive savage unable to evolve people/race.
    If england or germany or austirans or itlaians were dealt serbia's hand, the balkans would have been a different story today. But instead we're cursed with the most twisted primitive foreigns to europe, the orthodox modern day greeks and serbs who came yesterday to europe.
    Both truly exposed pretenders to this continent of europe, and total failures as race and ethnicity. Time has proven. You had total un-interrupted controll of all balkans and milking two big cows usa/west/russia.
    Greece as well, trillions in aid for years, both have been given best aportunities and total embarrising failures while you both dominated the balkans.
    So If you as so little as to take pride in anyway on psycho serbian chetnik primitive nationalism, then you're one big idiot.
    And its quite pathetic atempt from some of you trying to slide serbia as some meaningful or significant to any european and western interests or cause. Serbia is anti white and anti western in its soul. Always has been. Hitler knew it, usa and other european countries know it, exept russia and the french.
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    No, its stupidity on your part trying to slide insignificant total failure in everyway serbia in there. Its lame and stupid, and you know it.
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    The western european obsession with Serbia/serbs is due to the fact they had balls to have stayed loyal to Russia. Sad fate to Serbs they had a pathetic ally like Yeltsin during the 90s. If back then Russia's president had been Putin during the 90s, perhaps the 'history' would have been written in a different way.
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    I agree but considering the brutal military aggression, economic sabotage and psycho-propaganda that they suffered along with their geographic disadvantage and small population, I think their resistance for almost two decades is worthy of heroism. Also, I'll add Belarus as one of last nation in Europe still without toxic Brussels/NATO influence..
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    In imperial conflicts between superpowers, historically it is all about projection and proxy wars. The Chinese have shown themselves capable of filling a vacuum in African states left open by do-gooder Western states, but not much else in this regard. They have been crying about Taiwan for decades yet still remain at a standstill.

    The Chinese are also hemmed in by military powers who, in all likelihood, could successfully defend themselves from a conventional Chinese invasion. I know that the Chinese military has changed drastically since their invasion of Vietnam, but if their willpower, discipline, and willingness to take losses remains remotely comparable, they do not have a chance.

    The U.S. could easily smarten up and adopt a British-like "balance of powers" approach in the region which could also easily hem in China. (1) Have Japan re-arm its army, navy, and air force. (2) Force South Korea to build a modern military with U.S. and British advisors. India and Russia are additional deterrents.

    In a "cold war" scenario filled with puppet government conversions/"revolutions," projection through subsidized paramilitary units and espionage conducted by intelligence agencies, etc., I only see a U.S./Anglosphere/NATO victory.

    In an "all-or-nothing" World War-type scenario, I see much of the same thing, as mainland China is far more vulnerable than the contiguous 48.

    China will have to do much work, politically, to reverse the prevailing world order before they can openly overthrow it through military means. Much like NS Germany in the 30's, they could surely do a lot of damage before going down in flames, but they surely would go down in flames.
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    In 1951, General Van Fleet could have potentially wiped out the Chinese army inside North Korea. Truman and the upper brass wouldn't go for a strong counter-offensive, even against a fully demoralized and routed Chinese army, because they genuinely feared that the Korean episode was a feint for a giant USSR blitz into western Europe.

    I can't see the game being all that different in a conventional warfare scenario, with the giant exception being that the U.S. is no longer responsible for diverting a large amount of troops to Western Europe against a potential Soviet bloc invasion.

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