Our Laughing Stock Military: Two Takes

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  1. il ragno Proud American Deplorable

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    John Derbyshire Asks A Politically Incorrect Question About Our Fender-Bender Navy

    John Derbyshire
    August 27, 2017

    The state of our military is a bit worrying. Those of us with family members serving have more to worry about than the average. I have no doubt our soldiers, sailors, and airmen will do their fighting best with any mission we assign them. But politicized leadership and stupid ideas about human nature may get in the way.

    These dark thoughts came to mind when I read about the latest fender-bender involving a U.S. warship. This happened when the U.S.S. John S McCain collided with a civilian oil tanker near Singapore. Ten of our sailors are missing, presumed dead. Five more sailors were injured.[ Lost at sea: The ten sailors who are missing presumed dead after cargo ship hit a US Navy destroyer in the Pacific for the second time in three months, Daily Mail, August 24, 2017.]

    And this is the fourth serious accident involving U.S. Navy ships this year:

    *In January, the guided-missile cruiser U.S.S. Antietam ran aground in Tokyo Bay. There were no casualties, but eleven hundred gallons of oil were dumped into the water.

    *May 9th the cruiser U.S.S. Lake Champlain collided with a fishing boat off the east coast of South Korea. Again, no casualties.

    *June 17th the destroyer U.S.S. Fitzgerald collided with a Filipino container ship in the waters off Japan. Seven of our sailors were killed, three more injured.


    What’s the normal number of collisions per annum? Close to zero. Prior to this year, the last such incident was in 2004, when our aircraft carrier the U.S.S. John F Kennedy ran over a dhow in the Persian Gulf.

    Speaking as a credentialed navigator, I say there’s something wrong here. Not having your ship run aground or collide with other ships, is basic seamanship, and made easier than it’s ever been by modern navigation technology. Human beings have been sailing ships on the sea for several thousand years, remember. This is not a new art.

    There’s been some speculation that our Navy’s high-tech navigation systems have been hacked into. There are a number of problems with that theory, one of them being that the Navy itself doesn’t seem to believe it. Here for example is an extract from its report on the U.S.S. Fitzgerald incident—the one that killed seven sailors:

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    In fairness to the crew of Fitzgerald, I should note that the report also contains the following:



    OK, but it really looks as though we have a problem here. To misquote Lady Bracknell, one collision may be regarded as a misfortune; four looks like carelessness.

    And the Navy’s own reports finger “poor seamanship,” “flawed teamwork,” and “inadequate leadership.”

    It really looks as though the Navy has sailed into a zone of pretty acute personnel problems. But why would that be?

    Call me over-suspicious [You’re over-suspicious!] but I can’t help thinking the issues are somewhat related to this:

    Oh, and what’s this? A report from the New York Times just this past Wednesday: Fort Benning Drill Sergeants Suspended Amid Sexual Misconduct Allegations. [By Jacey Fortin, August 23, 2017]. Sample quote, after the stuff about sexual harassment allegations:



    Concerning those allegations, by the way, I’m willing to bet—and if I’m wrong, someone who knows the facts please tell me and I will eat crow on the VDARE.com website—I’m willing to bet that a large majority of those offending drill instructors are black, and a similarly large majority of the plaintiffs are white.

    That was certainly the case (as I’ve noted before) in the Aberdeen Proving Ground NCO sex scandals of the ‘90s–about 80% of the victims were white and 80% of the accused were black. [2 more Aberdeen sergeants charged NAACP says cases against black soldiers involve prejudice, By Scott Wilson, Baltimore Sun, March 26, 1997] (The official press release [PDF] names no names.)

    Now, I don’t say that mixed-sex military units are the stupidest idea of the past hundred years. The competition for stupidest is just too stiff: public-sector labor unions, Affirmative Action, mass Third World immigration, body piercing …

    I do say, though, that if I wanted to seriously degrade the military effectiveness of an enemy, I would do everything I could to get him integrating women into his combat units.

    After thirty years of cultural rot, our generals and admirals didn’t get to be generals and generals by winning wars but by promoting the correct numbers of blacks and Muslims and opening the military academies to girls and homosexuals

    They don’t want to worry about steering ships. They want to focus the serious strategic questions facing the nation: installing transgender bathroom facilities in submarines, tanks and fighter planes.

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    What Color Are Drill Sergeants In Fort Benning Sexual Harassment Scandal? The DAILY BEAST Thinks They’re White, But That’s Not What History Says

    James Fulford
    August 23, 2017

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    This Daily Beast story of sexual harassment in the Army is illustrated, as seen in the screenshot above, with a picture of white males. [Fort Benning Drill Sergeants Suspended for Alleged Sexual Misconduct, August 23, 2017]

    When we turn to the underlying NBCstory the Beast is ripping off for clickbait, we see that the actual Army has not specifired the race or even the sex of the erring NCOs. See Fort Benning Drill Sergeants Suspended for Alleged Sexual Misconduct, by Courtney Kube and Tracy Connor, August 23, 2017.

    Quote from that story:

    Aberdeen Proving Ground was the first thing I thought of. It’s something I’ve used to to illustrate the principle that offenders won’t be reported by the MSM as black until there’s a complaint of racism, writing that that's how we usually find out these things. In the 1990s, there was a sex scandal at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, in which senior NCOs were accused of sexually harassing or sexually abusing enlisted women. It wasn't until the NAACP showed up to complain that the public learned that the senior NCOs were all black. [2 more Aberdeen sergeants charged NAACP says cases against black soldiers involve prejudice, By Scott Wilson, Baltimore Sun, March 26, 1997]

    Here’s a contemporary report from Time Magazine (subscriber link) via one of John Derbyshire’s correspondents:

    So until we know different, we can assume that the Daily Beast’s use of white men in their photo constitutes the usual macroaggression. By the way, it’s not always the case the that the offenders are black–in the Lackland Air Force Base case the harassing NCOs included a guy whose last name is Maldonado, and another whose first name is Luis.

    Final question: what happens when there are “out and proud” gay male drill sergeants supervising 18 year old enlistees? That’s going to take a lot of hushing up.

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    http://www.vdare.com/letters/a-char...g-on-naval-crashes-and-disgruntled-minorities

    In case anyone is noting these things, both the CO and XO of the USS John S. McCain (involved in one of the US Navy collisions noted tonight by John Derbyshire) were Puerto Rican natives. Oddly enough, they even share the same last name: Sanchez.[US Navy Bio]

    In further Noticing news, an angry black man killed a well-known local chef here in Charleston yesterday, but any mention of the murderer’s race instantly designates one as a racist and someone trying to be divisive.

    Diversity is strength. ¿Si?
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    Quite a few of my buddies at a now defunct nigger bashing site I was on were vets who were disgusted by the amount of apefirmative action nigger "officers" there were in the army.

    Think about it, we're looking at disaster. Tons o' affirmative action mudmonkeys are in officer positions in our armed forces. and the US Govt is doing everything it can to start a war with Russia. At least Trump kicked out all the tranny freaks. For now.
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    It's definitely a giant disaster in the making. For at least a hundred years or so now, our lovely ZOG overlords have been used to an unlimited number of farm boys that can be hopped up on whatever jingoistic/propagandistic nonsense they can cook up in order to go fight their wars for them, but these days the average enlistee is more likely to be Pedro fleeing from the barrio than Bubba whose only other option is the meat packing plant in his East Cowflop, TN sort of town.

    I haven't been on base for quite some time since I lost my privileges quite a while back (military brat) but I hear it's even more of a multiracial cesspool than it was even when I grew up in the midst of it in the 80's. I don't have a quote for this but I heard recently that only 37% of enlistees are white now. Not that I'd expect those in charge to ever notice these things overall but someone probably does and it probably makes them a little uneasy.

    Really, the whole notion of the Sodom Squad, Poofter Platoon, and Baboon Brigade steering in on the likes of the USS Harvey Milk in order to make the world safe for gay fetish porn around the world is just so completely and utterly absurd and only a couple of decades ago wouldn't have even been possible to dream up by our most bitter satirists, yet here we are.
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    Why do you think every military talking-head keeps nervously insisting that drone warfare is the future?
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    Yeah... Until apefirmative action takes over the military's IT, too.

    "Oh sheeit, we shoodnta smoked dat blunt befo' handlin' duh drones, I tink I jus' smoked our entire allied beachhead."
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    Looks like Sanchez #1 and Sanchez #2 were responsible (no, that's not a typo -- that's really both of their last names.)

    It looks like a couple of mestizo equivalents to high yellows, but the irony of this is still present.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ident-was-preventable/?utm_term=.5c1ca40ef1a6

    Navy sends ‘unequivocal message’ in firing commanders over deadly John S. McCain collision



    By Andrew deGrandpre and Alex Horton October 11 at 12:56 PM
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    The USS John S. McCain’s damaged hull is visible while berthed at the Changi navy base in Singapore on Aug. 21. (U.S. Navy)
    The U.S. Navy on Tuesday fired the USS John S. McCain’s top two officers, calling the warship’s deadly August collision with an oil tanker “preventable.”
    Cmdr. Alfredo J. Sanchez, the McCain’s commander, and Cmdr. Jessie L. Sanchez, its executive officer, were relieved of their duties and reassigned, Navy officials announced in a statement. Both were fired because of a lack of confidence, officials said.
    [These are the 10 sailors lost from the USS John S. McCain]
    The McCain, a guided-missile destroyer, collided with the merchant vessel Alnic MC on Aug. 21 near Singapore. Ten American sailors died and five others were injured.
    “While the investigation is ongoing, it is evident the collision was preventable, the commanding officer exercised poor judgment, and the executive officer exercised poor leadership of the ship’s training program,” officials said in the Navy’s announcement.
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    Cmdr. Alfredo J. Sanchez, left, the USS John S. McCain’s commanding officer, and Cmdr. Jessie L. Sanchez, the ship’s executive officer, were fired Tuesday. (U.S. Navy photos)
    While other McCain sailors may bear some responsibility for the accident, the Navy, historically, assigns the most severe penalties to the top officers involved, said Bryan McGrath, a former destroyer commander and now deputy director of the Center of American Seapower at the Hudson Institute, a think tank in Washington, D.C.
    “Captains are in a unique position to know what the ship’s strengths and weaknesses are. There is no other leadership position in the military quite like captain of a ship or a submarine,” McGrath told The Washington Post on Wednesday.
    When the Navy removes officers from command, as it did with the relief of Sanchez and Sanchez, it sends “unequivocal messages” to other ship captains and senior officers to tighten their leadership, McGrath said, adding “Be up to the task or we will relieve you.”
    The McCain collision is among a series of mishaps, including three collisions and a grounding, that have exposed the Navy’s struggle to address widespread leadership shortcomings and an erosion of training standards. Two months prior, the USS Fitzgerald, also a guided-missile destroyer, collided with a container ship in Tokyo Bay.
    That accident left seven U.S. sailors dead. To date, the Navy has fired at least eight commanders following the four accidents this year, including the 7th Fleet commander, a three-star admiral who oversaw three of those ships.
    In September, Navy leaders shared with Congress several unsettling facts about the service’s dangerous deployment pace and the role physical exhaustion — some sailors routinely endure 100-hour workweeks, they said — may have played in the two deadly collisions.
    Worldwide, demand for Navy assets has soared since the United States went to war in 2001, but its number of ships has been cut by 20 percent since then, officials have said. Faced with persistent threats from North Korea and China’s expansionist ambitions, U.S. commanders have leaned on the Navy to maintain a steady, robust presence in the Western Pacific in particular.
    The McCain and the Fitzgerald both belong to the Navy’s 7th Fleet, which is headquartered in Japan, and what befell their crews brings into stark focus how more missions in this region have left the Navy spread thin, hobbled by too few ships and worn-out, undertrained crews.
    Hoping to collect recommendations for solving its training and leadership problems, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson ordered a service-wide stand-down after the two deadly collisions.
    “When I hear about problems like persistent lack of sleep, consistently long work hours in port, problems in basic watchstanding, and more, it’s clear to me that much of the fix is with our junior leaders,” Richardson said in a message distributed throughout the fleet last week, an apparent refinement over his statements last month before Congress, when the four-star admiral said the Navy’s more senior commanding officers were responsible for mandating change.
    Junior leaders “can control so much if we give them clear guidance, responsibility, authority and accountability, and allow them to own their situations,” the message says, noting other concerns among personnel, such as added collateral duties that strain junior leaders’ ability to focus on personal and professional development.
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    English translation: niggers actually did it, but overmatched white beaners will actually take the fall here. Hey, we can barely get 'em to salute the damn brass, never mind the flag - imagine if we started court-martialing them within earshot of a Jew with a smartphone.
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    Odd in WW2 all those white men probably got tired too, but they were busy risking their lives fighting a war, not crashing ships into other ships. Can you imagine the low tech navigation equipment they had in WW2 compared to the spics and niggers in the US Navy today.
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    Far less spics in da states back then. & da ones in da armed forces back then was largely dem infamous White Hispanics dat is busy now shootin' dem Trayvon Martins today. & ya knows what niggers was relegated to in da armed services back then. Not pilotin' fuckin' ships, dat's for sure.
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    US Navy, now run by illegal aliens from Mexico
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    From what I saw Dirty Sanchez and his cuz weren't even "fired". Heck what about their feelings & shit, not to mention that it woulda been raycissss.
    They was re-assigned to droll shore jobs. So much for "sending out a message" for crashing the taxpayer's 2 billion dolla bathtub.

    The original speculation & claims about "navigation systems being hacked" or "it being the fault of the commercial vessels" were equally laughable.
    Even if the nav system was "hacked", that still is no excuse not to get the basics right like having lookouts on port & starboard.
    Ditto again irrespective of whether or not the commercial vessels were at fault or not.

    Fucking looks outs da windows yous dopey beaners.
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