Going Berserk: Battle Trance and Ecstatic Holy Warriors in the European War Magic Tradition

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    Well, we know niggers are niggers. I thought it was about Euro's.

    "In Guyana, for example,
    gangs of kanaimà shamans seize people (often easy prey,
    such as women or children) from behind, dislocating their
    shoulders or fingers in an initial attack followed months
    later by a fatal assault, in which the shamans force the
    victims’ tongues to be bitten by a poisonous snake, then
    anally rape them with the tail of an iguana or armadillo
    until the intestinal wall is shredded and the rectum
    sufficiently ripped to be stuffed with bags of astringent
    herbs, bringing on a slow, agonizing death (Whitehead,
    2002). The shamans later violate their victims’ corpses to
    eat some of the liquifying remains for magical purposes.
    Motives for such assaults are typically power, status,
    jealousy, or revenge. Not all war sorcery is as revolting as that of the
    kanaimà shamans."
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    It is. You just have to read past that one particular paragraph, as opposed to going, "OMG, it says something about an African tribe, window closed."
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    Great paper. You don't usually see topics like this so well sourced.
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    Following the note about crazy coons, here are the subsections of the article:

    The Origins of War Magic
    Odin's Warriors
    Going Berserk (provides explanation for why certain early Indo-European "barbarians" fought without protective clothing - noted that it wasn't due to any "primitive" state or for lack of technology/military equipment); also interesting that the History Channel's Vikings show the pagans pestering Christian monks to undertake fire ordeals for their own amusement, when that's actually what berserkers did themselves
    Explanations of Berserkergang


    If you're interested in warrior groups who used ecstatic trance, or "frenzy," or "berserker rage," in battle, then this article is an enjoyable read. If you cannot read at a high level, though, the article may appear cumbersome. It is written for an audience that reads academic journals. It goes into miraculous feats of physical invulnerability and even healing, typically achieved through a spiritual process. It's perfectly normal to feel skeptical of some claims, even when some feats are allegedly reproduced under laboratory conditions, but one must remember that such states are not accessible to the masses.

    Here is the article's conclusion:
    Although primarily focusing on the Berserkergang, the author does describe the states of ecstatic frenzy reportedly achieved by particular warrior groups in other cultures, noting key similarities in the process. So yes, he does talk about muds on occasion, god forbid.
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    Very few Norseman during the viking age had much in the way of armor for numerous reasons. These were seafaring people, so for obvious reasons a heavy and very expensive mail shirt, brigandine or lamellar could cause some serious problems when you inevitable end up in the waves. Plate armor hadn't even been invented yet. Most of the protective clothing was limited to thick, padded canvas and sometimes leather. Most of this offered so little protection from thrusts and strong cuts that the intimidation factor of fighting shirtless would have often outweighed the potential benefits of an 8-10 pound coat that made it difficult to even lift your arms above your head.
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    The act of conspicuously fighting shirtless extends to even Germanic and Celtic tribes going back to even the earlier days of the Roman Republic and even early Hellenic encounters when Celtic marauders rampaged into Greece and Asia Minor. The distinction was noted in literary sources and even works of art, like the unarmored and even unclothed "Dying Gaul" depiction from Roman times. Ancient Celtic Britons fought with just war paint and so on. Yet we know the Celts had access to iron protective clothing, whether helmets or breastplates and so on, through their own devices, war loot, and even trade. The article, like I said, expands the explanations far beyond the usual assumptions of technological inferiority and/or convenience. Not all of these groups were seafaring marauders. We know from grave sites around Lake Halstatt and Austria that date from the 5th to the 7th centuries BC, long before Roman consolidation, that the Celtic tribes there had an abundance of bronze armor and had even developed iron material relatively early. Keep in mind that the Romans credited the Celts with the invention of mail armor, as the Romans supposedly copied it from them. Yet Celtic marauders that clashed with Roman arms were on occasion described and depicted as fighting naked at times, and yet we know that the Celts had very similar (or same?) animal transformation mythology/ideation and even going into battle with a berserker state, much like the Vikings. The article, and even the concept, is not just interesting for its more specific applications to military history or man's history of spirituality, but also for its more broad implications, as the concept begs the question, "is the distinction between Celts and Germanics, which originates with Roman commentators (Caesar), arbitrary and artificial?" If one were interested in developing such an argument, either for academic reasons or just for that of competitive shit poasting, this is a concept and a source to keep in one's memory.

    I shouldn't have to explain this in defense of a solid and interesting historical read that concerns Indo-Euro barbarians, berserker elite forces, and even white dark magic, just because the article mentions a few similar non-white warrior groups. While I agree that Scandinavian berserkers who perform feats like single-handedly defending a bridge for hours against Anglo-Saxon foes shouldn't be equated with stickniggers who consume psychodelics and throw sticks during a tribal chimpout, we have to keep in mind that the author wasn't exactly Steven Flowers.

    Oh, the article briefly mentions Achilles in Vietnam as it also describes the berserker state among Vietnam vets and how it factors into later post-traumatic stress disorder; this is a great book to pick up off Amazon for a few bucks, even though it's written by a psychiatrist. It's more psychology than military history, though it does link everything analyzed back to The Iliad, which is awesome. It all begs another question - was Achilles an ancient example of an elite berserker who was immortalized and semi-deified in a subsequent mythic tradition? I'd have to dust off that book again - and I'm definitely not sufficiently inspired at present to do so.
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    It should also be kept in mind that the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European and Proto-Turkic cultures are practically identical and comparisons with non-white cultures become much more relevant the further you go back in pre-history.
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    Feel free to cut out the nigger portions before you post.
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    The term Celtic should properly refer only to linguistic and cultural characteristics that had their roots in the same Nordic people who made up the Germanic tribes. The Celtic way of life often spread to "Mediterranean" swarthy-featured locals in the British Isles and the Iberian Peninsula, which has made a clusterfuck out of identifying "the Celts".

    Even without Greek(and later Roman) accounts of Galatai and Keltoi with yellow hair and blue eyes, the cultural and especially the religious similarities are more than sufficient to show that these Aryans shared a common origin. Roman historians in particular emphasize how close these tribes were to each other ethnically, geographically and politically. Furthermore, our only evidence of linguistic affiliation for many tribes in Germania comes from the word of a foreign empire who admittedly had never met a single either Helveti nor Alemanni.

    Imho, the significant language differences between Celts and proper Germanics were likely a result of outside influence on the Germanic tribes rather than from any indigenous swarthoid input to the Celts. The Celtic languages seem to have been a good bit closer to the baseline Proto-Indo-European tongue. Differing religious motifs in Scandinavia likewise seem to have come from Turkic groups and those reindeer-nigger Sami types via the Baltic area, but the similarities are far greater than any differences, especially as they pertain to war gods and combat tactics.
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    However much they may have wanted to attribute berserkrgangr to the influence of Odin and his pals, I think it makes more sense to look towards pure psychological factors rather than any religious ecstasy or entheogen usage.

    Life sucked for these tribes. If you managed to live to middle age, it meant your friends, your wife and most of your children were almost certainly dead by that point. A free man would serve under a pissant feudal lord and be ordered into battles he had little chance of even surviving and a slave had far fewer "rights" still. Contrary to popular opinion, beer and mead were something few men could afford to numb the pain on a regular basis. Refusing a challenge of combat, getting caught in a lie, stealing from your own folk or practicing the wrong religious rites was sufficient to have your very status as a man legally revoked. Even without factoring in the promise of Valhalla, its not hard to understand why dying just wasn't as scary to these people.
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