George Zimmerman’s Real Crime Against Trayvon Martin

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  1. SouthernStar Bar Regular

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    There may be light at the end of the tunnel for you, Clancy. Until then, you are still grounded. And stop masturbating! It's making your eyesight wonky. Sheesh!
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    Are you guys friggin' kidding me? How distorted can you make this case?

    Zimmerman was following Trayvon around the neighborhood, calling 911 operators saying he looked suspicious.

    The operator said, "STOP FOLLOWING HIM." Zimmerman didn't listen.

    Trayvon was on the phone as well, with his girlfriend. He says to her, "Some STRANGE GUY IS FOLLOWING ME."

    What happened next is harder to pin down. One woman said a struggle ensued with Martin getting the best of Zimmerman, another witness noted no struggle, only a gunshot and Martin calling for help.

    Trayvon was 140 lbs. Zimmerman was 225 lbs. It was not possible for there to be any parity in a physical struggle between the two of them.

    Trayvon is the dead one. Zimmerman was the armed man following him. Trayvon was carrying a pack of Skittles and Arizona iced tea. Zimmerman has arrests for domestic violence against her girlfriend and assaulting a cop. Trayvon had no arrests or priors.

    Race doesn't have shit to do with the fact you can't follow a person with a gun because you think they look suspicious and shoot them dead.
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    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/v-fullstory/2700249/shooter-of-trayvon-martin-a-habitual.html

    Zimmerman habitually called the cops for all sorts of reasons.

    Dude was violently inclined as per his criminal record and obviously not wrapped too tight.
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    Ridiculous nonsense, a physically fit 140 lbs nigger can easily devastate a 225 lbs out of shape mongrel/jew/nigger/fuck knows.

    The weight difference is irrelevant.

    It has everything to do with race, you god damned buffoon.
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    Dis is a "White Hispanic" dat da Jew York Times calls Jorge? Minds ya, dis is da furst time da paper o' record has e'er used dis term. & White? Dis, wit' its mesoamerican genes from his Peruvian mudder shinin' t'rough is what da greasers calls in Spic a "mestizo." Fitz is correct. It's entirely racial. Da jewsual suspects t'aught dey got 'em a middle aged Bubba shootin' a feral nigger. Shit, it's a greaser? No, got to get da niggers agitated to win Florida for Obongo-bama- presto- Zimmerman is now a "White Hispanic."
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    If what Chloe says is correct then Zimmerman is at fault. Maybe Trayvon jumped him in self-defence? Doesn't this case revolve around your strange laws, one of them saying you can attack someone if you feel threatened even if the other person hasn't done anything (yet)? Maybe this is what Trayvon did if he did indeed attack Zimmerman first?

    And if that's a white person then I'm Nordic.
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    Somewhere in America, right now, a nighor is being shot. It might be a mexican, white, asian, or more likely a fellow nighor pulling the trigger. What I want to know is what makes this particular shooting so important? Nighors get shot every day. Who cares.
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    True, it has been blown way out of proportion, even if Trayvon was a completely innocent guy.
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    No, the operator gave the suggestion, one that Zimmerman had no obligation to follow, of "We don't need you to do that." Pretty ambiguous order.


    According to a "witness" who came out 3 weeks after the shooting, who just happens to be Trayvon's girlfriend. If she is credible, why won't the Martin supporters play her entire tape?


    There are more credible witnesses that back up the spic's story.

    Zimmerman had injuries consistent with the story he told. The weight difference does back up Zimmerman's account of being sucker punched.

    No, but when the little thug sucker punches you and then tries to kill you by banging your head on the sidewalk you can snuff his candle.
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    The tacit assumption chloeblossoms and the media is making is that Zimmerman was at fault merely for getting out of his car and following a black for any reason, armed or not (many blacks followed aged 17 in that neighbourhood would have been armed, and it was well that he was armed when he got out of his car to pursue what he thought was a criminal). That is, he was guilty of racism and worse when he got out his car, and whatever happened, no matter *how* it happened, was thereafter his fault -- and here they are making up the Law as they go along, to justify a lynching.

    As Thomas over at the Phora noted, there is no affirmative legal duty not to follow someone. And being crazy, weird, or prone to distrust persons in a high crime neighbourhood is *not* a punishable offence. However, Political Correctness will convict this man -- and Blacks and the Media want his blood -- because they want revenge for being profiled as a people, not particular justice for Trayvon. He is a symbol to them.

    Was there not a media report that Trayvon was on his cell phone telling his sister he was being followed but would not run? Or has that one been discredited?

    By all appearances, the man foolishly followed a dangerous gang member who chose, also foolishly as it turns out, to stand his ground rather than run, and the former is alive to tell the tale because he was armed. Justice (prison terms, executions) is not about being a fool, and it is not about self-defence. This will be a difficult case because it takes two to tango and the Hispanic turned out to be packing. That never happens either way, does it?

    Until I hear testimony about the struggle from eyewitnesses and a jury returns a verdict -- if the fellow is even charged -- I would not draw hysterical conclusions from Media hype. The Media often try people incorrectly and sometimes prevent justice. I would especially not be hysterical if I were Ivy educated, and had been taught critical thinking there or anywhere else.

    At this stage it *does* look like what happened was *either* Murder One (pursuit with malice aforethought) *or* self-defence following legitimate pursuit (third degree). What is unlikely is anything in between -- getting into an argument innocently and passionately losing his temper. The MSM and publicly educated Blacks are not very good with understanding disjunctions rather than slogans in general, but that will not stop reasonable people from concluding that *unless* he is charged with Murder One *and* convicted of it, the charges were likely week and unsubstantiated.
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    Niggers gonna chimp.
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    The point is, you can't follow someone with a gun, and then claim self defense.

    Like the author of the Florida law said, Zimmerman lost his case the moment he said, "I'm following him."

    I know in your guys' world it's perfectly fine to follow skinny black teens carrying skittles and iced tea with a handgun, but in any civilized society, you can't arm yourself, follow them and shoot them. If you're threatened and fearful for your life, you don't pursue someone.
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    'Naki, strangely enough that's going to be Zimmerman's defense. If someone is following someone else with a handgun, I'm sure the pursued person feels threatened. Zimmerman says Trayvon went for his gun. I'm sure if an armed person pursued me and engaged me in a physical struggle in which I wasn't armed, I'd be going for their gun too.

    To put in perspective how skinny Trayvon was, I'm only 5 lbs lighter than he was at the time.
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    Funny how only one "witness" claims that Zimmerman was crying for help, when multiple say it was Martin.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/16/2697604_p2/trayvon-martins-parents-criss.html#storylink=cpy
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    http://www.theroot.com/buzz/911-calls-released-trayvon-martin-killing

    The 911 tapes.

    Sounds like the person crying for help was abruptly silenced.

    Clearly, Z was off his rocker. The kid wasn't high, wasn't looking for trouble, he was just returning home from the store. Yet he was followed by an armed lunatic with a violent criminal history and gunned down.



    Additionally, to the issue of race, Z has a Peruvian mother and a white father. He's mixed. Not really relevant, except to the fact of course whites don't want to claim him.
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    Yes, this succinctly states what the issue is. Obviously *if he was already engaged in a racially motivated assault* he won't get much mileage out of self defence. Where we differ is precisely where you say -- running after a black youth, and being armed when doing so, is *not* simpliciter an assault. It *might* be, but that is not yet proven. Caribbean notions of 'civilisation' do not apply to American Law. Nor do Communist Jewish ones (yet -- 'they' are trying with this case.)

    What the law really says is that mens rea is required. The Yankee anti-gun lobby will most certainly incline to the view (contrary to our *current* laws), that pursuing anyone while having a gun proves mens rea, case closed. This is the entire force of the Media Trial argument -- the crucial question of whether a Murder One charge is appropriate. If a Murder One charge is not, *then* there is no reason to believe that mens rea formed while the man was *in* pursuit. Either he had it when he left the car, or he did not. In the latter case, self-defence is plausible.

    Now here's a prediction: the Grand Jury won't go for Murder One, or if they do it won't stick, and if he is convicted of something it won't be that but a plea bargain or charge that falls short of a proved *intent to kill the boy* when he commenced pursuit.
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    The fact is, totally absent of the race issue, you cannot follow someone because you think they look threatening, engage them, and shoot them dead. Self defense laws were created to protect people in imminent fear of aggressors. Just the fact that you're pursuing someone immediately rules out imminent fear, and clearly makes you the aggressor.

    What about the pursuit would be legitimate?
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    The fact that Zimmerman is clearly a nut predisposed to violence, who shot a teen because he looked suspicious with him isn't the national case.

    The national case is a. he wasn't immediately arrested for some bizarre reason b. that there are people in this country jumping out of the woodwork to defend Zimmerman with all sorts of absurd justifications, demonstrating this country is replete with people who have serious issues.

    Funny thing is, last night I was on the train coming home from work, and some toothless, long haired guy started randomly yelling, ranting in favor of Zimmerman and against the "mongrel hordes".

    I told him to be quiet and he called me an animal, a mongrel, and a cunt. To my face. I've never been talked to like that in my life.

    The highly ironic fact is though, he was standing in that car ranting about black people in a train car full of ghetto black people with their pants hanging down, they were just shaking their heads and telling me, "Chill ma, chill."

    I probably cried for an hour and a half after that.

    Yeah, there are issues.
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    Are you insane? George Zimmerman is not white, not even close.
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