Bellamy's Salute

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  1. Macrobius The Old Usager

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    How we used to do things, in America:

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    Caption: Children performing the Bellamy salute to the flag of the United States

    Cute little tyros. [*] Notice how to dress properly for school.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute

    [*] 'Tyro' is the Roman word for a 'new recruit', the opposite of a 'veteran', hence, a young and undisciplined child, but more often a teenage male youth.
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  2. Macrobius The Old Usager

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    bumps again - interesting stuff, Mac
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    Flag idolatry. :disagree:
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    Strictly speaking, in the Greco-Roman world, the Flag is not an idol (eidolon) but a horkos (sacramentum) -- that is, a symbol on which one makes a sacred pledge to a pagan divinity. (The Christian custom would be 'swearing on the Bible' -- clearly the Bible is not an idol, but one uses it to make an oath before God).

    @Johnson : get your facts straight. You can argue that it is straight up Catholicism and Papism -- Protestants are very suspicious of 'sacraments' in general, and certainly of secular ones -- but it isn't idolatry.


    One of Aesop's Fables tells the story of a man [named Demetrios Bessarabos in some sources -ed.] who took out a deposit from a friend with the intention of keeping it for himself. When the friend asked him to swear an oath regarding the deposit he recognised the danger and prepared to leave town, and while on the road he met a lame man who was also on his way out of town. When asked, the lame man said that he was Horkos (Oath), and that he was on his way to track down wicked people. The man asked Horkos how often he returned to the city, to which he replied, "I come back after forty years, or sometimes thirty." Believing himself to be free from danger, the man returned to his friend the following morning and without hesitation swore that he had never received the deposit. Within the day, Horkos had found him and dragged him to the edge of a cliff and, protesting, the man asked how the god could have said he was not coming back for thirty years when in fact he did not even grant him a day's reprieve. Horkos replied, "You also need to know that if somebody intends to provoke me, I am accustomed to come back again the very same day."[4]

    Defenestration for oath-breakers :agree:
    Horkos would seem to be the patron saint of Forum Moderation.
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    Matthew 5:33-37
    "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.'
    But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
    or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
    And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
    Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil.
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